I have used MM products since the early days, and I have been on fusion for the last few years. As I don't consider myself to be a dj, I've just learnt the elements I needed to get by. If I ever took DJing seriously I'd probably find faults, but I only mix as a hobby so it does me fine.

And here i thought many of you used "real" dj gear to mix live, how wrong could ive been.

Then theres no real skill involved, now is it, its not djn in the real sense, just "programming" the music and off you go, that is to take the edge of i think and a bit boring.

I understand fully if someone want to use MM to learn the craft of djn and mixing, but hey in the longrun its boring, just like using the syncbutton on traktor and just goofin around with the fx.

Respect to the people who confessed that they are using MM, but try to make it more interesting and mix the old fashionedc way!

Happy new year and hope that you get a wonderful beginnig and end of 2013!

/Marty

Hey!

I have MM Fusion and MM Studio! I'm still working with them, because it's just a great software!! There are FL Studio, Ableton Live, Traktor and so on, but MM was very perfected! I have thought to work with Ableton, but MM is still a great DAW for dj's. But they don't develop it! I think it's gone in a few years, but it's still a good STUDIO FOR DJ'S! Ok, when you have a Pioneer equipment it's better, but not for studio works! A producer uses for example CUBASE, but live he / she has a different equipment! And so it is with MM, too! I have also the controller for Fusion. Today the controllers have integrated soundcards, I have a dj box as a soundcard.
All in all THE MUSIC CHOICE is important for you as a dj! You can have WHITE PIONEER CDJ 2000's + the WHITE NEXUS 2000 by Pioneer and can be just the same a sh!tty dj - haha!

MM STUDIO: 8 channels!
MM Fusion 4 channels, but two outputs! One for headphones, one for the external soundcard which goes in the hi - fi system! A timeline with which you can mix all before it goes out, like at all modern DAW's for dj's, but a bit different.
You don't need more channels as a dj, only for producing. Also Traktor has two or four channels. If you want to make a producer performance, then Ableton Live with the new controller would be good for you!

actually mate this is an old argument that doesn't really make sense in modern times...I mixed in the past and did it well with vinyl and I can still do it now. I have produced music with popular programs like ableton and cubase...mixmeister fusion was somewhere in between this, I really enjoyed just mashing tracks up arrangemnet wise and loopin stuff with this program, sets took me ages to program? so yeah there was quite a bit of skill involved . If you want to stick to vinyl and a mixer because it somehow makes you feel better than artists using different mediums then you are quite welcome but it would be your loss...dont be narrow minded

Nice response, more measured than I would have done, for sure =;^)

Someone who slags off others in the community and then says "Respect" ... well, I get that he means the slagging more than the "respect" ... I also get that ppl who have to denigrate others in order to establish their own cool are all over the internet ... a "special type" we all run into here and there.

The digital vs. vinyl debate raged years ago, hard to believe it is still being fought here, in a digital medium ... the irony is rich.

I wish a happy and prosperous New Year to everyone, no matter what platform you choose to do your thing!

MmeFLY

thanks the transition from vinyl and decks to a more software integrated setup is an obvious path to most djs - if anything mp3 are cheaper than vinyl, I hope people also get into production. I felt I had to defend mixmeister as this software offers something that other software titles do not, maybe the gentleman would like to do a mix on mixmeister for critique? by the way I wouldn't dj with mixmeister at a gig...my setup of choice would be traktor controlled with time coded vinyl...whatever floats your boat people!

by the way Im checking out your latest mix, its awesome

Thx, I appreciate hearing that!

I came late to this game, did not start w/ vinyl, but with CDs. I would be the first to say that vinyl mixing requires a special skill set and clearly takes practice and talent to master ... but that boat had already sailed when I got interested, and I bought a CD mixing deck (Tascam) instead.

Quickly found the limitations inherent in that kind of set-up especially for the sorts of transitions that I personally enjoy creating ... and so I was very interested in making the move to digital when someone introduced me to MixMeister. Like Tepmix, who posted above, I think I started with their version 3 and have really been delighted with the improvements over the years although, like anyone who depends on software, I can think of a million more things that could be added or improved and I hate that Numark has so thoroughly dropped the ball in that regard.

It's funny, when I used to hang with the art crowd, the purists there all talked down photography -- as though there could not be art except art that involved brushes and colors on canvas. Just as literature purists complain everytime a novel is adapted for film. I think we'll never hear the end of it in this regard ... fortunately, it doesn't keep us from doing our work and creating our sessions, and it doesn't prevent the listeners from liking what they hear. And just for the record, in over 10 years, I've never had a listener express any interest at all in what my source material was -- analog or digital, no one ever mentions it. They only talk about whether or not they like the end result.

Thanks again for your kind comment on the set -- much appreciated!

MmeFLY

well after djing for years I kinda lost interest and just listen now ....I like production as opposed to mixing but if I program a set I use mixmeister x

Every single mix I have ever uploaded to this site has been built on mixmeister. Over time my mixing has progressed significantly, but I would never call myself a DJ, as I IMHO believe you should have a live aspect to your skillset to use that id.

As for using decks or cd mixers, when I wanted to try my hand I couldn't afford the cost of buying the gear as I was spending every penny I had on buying the cost of living and the pursuit of dance vinyl and cds. Over the years I had had many thousands of plays by many thousands of people, I have my own website and I have a small following of listeners who enjoy what I do.

Don't mock or look down on those who use software, I spend an age preparing mixes for listeners, my chillout mixes alone take ages of editing and rebuilding to get to the stage where I think they work as a whole.

There is a skill in knowing what to play and when to play it be it on decks, on software, live or in the studio. I for one am thankful that software options exist as they offer people the chance to have a go at something that for many was off limits.

Here's just one example of a mix built on mixmeister: Infinity

I laugh about the damn discussion who is a real dj and who not! I read dj - magazines and so also a lot of dj - equipment and dj's! The market leader in the higher class is PIONEER, but also DENON tries to build fantastic CDJ's and mixers! And the Allen & Heath mixers - wow! But also many dj's work live with Traktor or combinate that with CDJ's! The turntables are standing there as a alibi! Ok, you can still buy vinyls, but they are indeed very pricy! And then you mix with vinyls - oh, how great! Tomorrow you come along with some shellac plates, because they are the real plates - haha! I know that for example SVEN VÄTH mixes often with vinyls or Ricardo Villalobos. Some realeses you get only on vinyl! But why this all???

And with the equipment it is so as when a guitarist come along with a Gibson Les Paul, a Fender Stratocaster or a cheaper guitar from an unknown company! But it can be also very good! And so Mixmeister is also good! Again: you can have FOUR WHITE PIONEER CDJ 2000 and for example the ALLEN & HEATH top mixer and be just the same a sh!tty dj! I say: the knowledge of music is deciting, the joy for it and so the song choice, if you play hardcore, house, trance, dubstep, downtempo or anything else!

And so am I a dj? Yes! I work at eye level with Paul van Dyk, Armin Van Buuren, Carl Cox or any dj on this planet! And when they ignore me: it's there fault! When you play wonderful guitar, do you mean one day Keith Richards is standing before your door and says: oh! You are the new Les Paul or the new Paul Staney? No! They ignore you, because they don't know you or because they have more money, because the have millions of fans and so on! So it is with your dj - ing, too! Don't listen to that real - dj - shit!

A year late and i finally make it on to a thread i've lived and listened to forever.

I started dj'n with vinyl in 1988 (and dual cd's around 1991) and transitioned to digital in/around 1997-2000. My set up was .... Dual soundcards(pre cheap dualplex'n cards)/ 2 instances of winamp(each it's own soundcard) with the dsp pitch control or PCDJ / Vestax external mixer/ (and my turntables+records if i had time and energy)...... I would get laughed at/mocked by half the other dj's i worked with bringing in a full tower PC with these words..... " REAL DJ'S SPIN VINYL". By the middle of the night most of the crowd would be checking out my setup asking me how I was beat mixing with 1 turntable or CD players. I had promoters asking me to come play for them, I got lots of smiles and never made DJ'n about ME.Make everyone go nuts when "their" song plays,know when to play them and make everyone leave happy wanting to come back.

Yes it is an ego boost,yes i loved the control but i would do it in a club with 10 people or 1000 as long as everyone was tired by close.... Which is what a "REAL DJ" does, period.

Oh and yes I use VDJ with a Hercules controller AND Mixmeister AND Vinyl AND Samplers. Mixmeister is a great tool. Being able to pitch a track does give vinyl and CD/mp3 deck users that small key change edge that mixmeister can't but if you want to evolve your sound pick up another tool to use with mixmeister.

Ok i'm gonna go pee now. o/

Same old argument, I've used Turntables, CDJ's and MM. It's an ever progressing field, you can do more with CDJ than TT's, you can do more with PC software than you can with CDJ's. All 3 mediums require skill, just different skills. I no longer use vinyl as I lost all mine in a house fire years ago and trying to replace 30yr old vinyl is near impossible.

Switched to CDJ (the early ones wern't that good it has to be said) but even if I hadn't lost my vinyl would still have made the switch, imho it's just a better piece of gear.

I now use MM to build sets, once you're competent with the program it takes no time at all to put together a standard set. When i talk about a standard set I mean laying down tracks to see what works. It makes building a set so much easier and quicker than spending hours behind the decks.

I have never used MM to play live, still using CDJ for that, but MM is perfect for making mashups, the ability to use 3 or 4 track overlays is fantastic. Call me a cheat I don't care, but the ability to make the mashup, save it as a track in it's own right and then use it in my live set to me makes perfect sense. Why would I want to risk ballsing up using 4 decks!

Anyway this vid says more than I ever could.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPjXZQBxzys

It's all about the music.

@ Bossdrum, i know what you mean, i had a similar setup at home, and let me tell you, man was that shit, crap sound, even with a good computer, nowhere in hell i would bring a monstrocity like that to a club, never. And winamp, my good is that cheap.

DJ = DISCJOCKEY, you know the round thing that spins, dont matter if its a cd or vinyl.

I worked 2 part time jobs to be able to buy my first Denon DN 2000 and a rane mixer, i spent a fortune on records, still doing so, and it hurts me to see and hear how easy people tend to look at the profession of a dj.

Before it took, money, effort, endurance, networking, a recordcollection and training to get ahead.

The only thing that it takes today is a computer, 100 000 downloaded songs, allt genres, 2TB harddrive and a shitty ass controller, with mixmeister, traktor or serato and you are some what good to go.

Ponder this a few minutes!

If you like to work with wood and building things, do you buy the cheapest hammer and nails to get the job done, or do you buy a Stanley for $50-100 that more or less last a lifetime.
and do you call yourself a professional carpenter?

If you like working on cars, do you buy chinese crap to get ahead one day at a time or do you buy SNAP ON? and call yourself a professional mechanic?

If you dont have a skillset or honor the profession, its not really a profession now is it, its just something that people do, so, why do people call themselves professional djs and why does promoters and venueowners hire them?

For me its clear as day, its a professional profession for some, and just something to do in the sparetime or hobby for others.

And hey im fine by that as long as you show a passion and comitment and RESPECT the people that came before you and what they did.

When i started djn late 80s there were not many that even contemplated the idea of beeing a dj, why?, well it took years to practice and years to build a really really good case of records, and not many people had the stamina to go that far. I practiced 3-5 hour every day for a year to be that good i am today, of course it bothers me to see young guys entering a stage, loading up their tracks and press sync and doing exacly nothing more.

If you use sync to evolve and get technical. FINE, do it, but i can bet my left BALL that not many of you does that.

Heck most of you dont even touch the FX on the mixer or controller

Thats why you often hear dull and boring mixtapes or sets in the clubs, you mix safe in the beginging 30s-1min intro, and the same with the outro.

So my question is this, why use mixmeister?

You dont have the time to mix , maybe youre shit on mixing but is able to put together a good tracklist or you have so much to do and you must upload stuff to show people that you are active.

A heads up, thats whats dj is all about, ITS YOUR JOB! thats what we do, spend several days on searching music, buying music, build libraries or collection, sort them and making covers or promotapes.

THATS A DJ

I have several setups myself, and sure you can do alot of stuff with a computer that is allmost impossible to do even with the sync turned on on a CDJ 2000 nexus.

But mixmeister has only one function, and i know people has diffrent opinions about this, and thats whats seperate us from beeing amateurs and djs that play music in big venues or clubs. use mixmeister for a radioshow where you talk, and controlling everything else.

Good luck with trying to bring that crap to a big club with a audience that know what you are doing, youd be the laughingstock of the century, simple as that.

Ive tried mixmiester, and it is nothing mastery about that program, sure it can hold the beats and it can make decent transitions.

But how many of you is sitting only with computer or had the money and guts to buy the complete package with the controller from Numark?

Anyone?

Cause thats what is all about, if you have the controller the program evolve exponentially and you can do so much more, not saying it should be used professionally by a dj at a club.

My opinion stands fast, computers should not be used in pro enviroment PERIOD, why?

Theres nothing pro with a PC or Mac if you dont count the Panasonic toughbook that is, but how many of you have the cash to buy a computer for $10 000 to get the professional gear and standard it really takes?

Are you willing to put your money on something that is uncertain and risking your career in the process, cause just look at the private sector of companies, how many has problems on a daily basis with their computers?, ALOT.
thats why a supportservice earn alot of money.

Either you can agree or disagree the choice is yours, and just beacause bigger names uses traktor or serato dont make it right! many of them are just lazy or tired dragging crates of music around, but most of them allready knew the craft from within.

"Why carry a computer around when you can have most of your music on a SD or USB" Especially if you spin in a club where most allready have CDJ 850, 900 or 2000s"

USE REKORDBOX!

Cheers

/D&S